2008-08-02T11:18:47  <Prod> so, welcome everyone to another episode of StrategyWiki meeting
2008-08-02T11:19:24  <Prod> today we will also be covering stuff that was missed due to cancellation of last month's meeting
2008-08-02T11:19:46  <Prod> So, as an initial announcement, we've almost finished another guide merger
2008-08-02T11:20:03  <Prod> We have created http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Exteel
2008-08-02T11:20:17  <Prod> based on info from http://exteelwiki.co.uk/
2008-08-02T11:20:27  <Prod> All that remains are the images
2008-08-02T11:20:42  <Prod> once that's complete, that site will be a redirect to us
2008-08-02T11:20:51  <Notmyhandle> Without checking the site, we have permission and/or it's GFDL?
2008-08-02T11:21:09  <Prod> I worked with the owner to bring stuff over
2008-08-02T11:21:14  <Prod> he completely agreed with it
2008-08-02T11:21:43  <Prod> Also discussed with the major contributor on that site
2008-08-02T11:22:09  <Prod> questions/comments?
2008-08-02T11:22:26  <ness> None here.
2008-08-02T11:22:29  <Skizzerz> nope
2008-08-02T11:22:29  <Prod> ok
2008-08-02T11:22:31  <Prod> so moving on
2008-08-02T11:22:40  <Prod> (Skizzerz): would you like to talk about changes with IRC?
2008-08-02T11:22:47  <Skizzerz> uh... sure
2008-08-02T11:23:10  <Skizzerz> As you may be able to notice, I set up a PJIRC gateway for strategywiki (accessible via the sidebar)
2008-08-02T11:23:29  *** Teddy has joined #SW-Meeting
2008-08-02T11:23:38  <Skizzerz> Very few people seem to actually be using it, however
2008-08-02T11:23:53  <Skizzerz> And the ones that do get discouraged fairly quickly due to the inactivity
2008-08-02T11:24:09  <Teddy> irc chat?
2008-08-02T11:24:14  <Skizzerz> yes
2008-08-02T11:24:33  <Skizzerz> as such, we need to figure out a way to increase awareness of the chat both among the regular users and the casual browsers
2008-08-02T11:25:07  <ness> Open to discussion?
2008-08-02T11:25:13  <Skizzerz> sure
2008-08-02T11:25:16  <Notmyhandle> I can idle from now on.
2008-08-02T11:25:19  <Prod> I was thinking that we could get a new domain name and run IRC on that one
2008-08-02T11:25:31  <Prod> and add that to our "network navigation"
2008-08-02T11:25:57  <ness> Or we could start by increasing activity in the room *thumbs up gesture*
2008-08-02T11:26:17  <Skizzerz> yes, I don't think the NAME is the issue, it's the activity (or, lack thereof)
2008-08-02T11:26:23  <Prod> that's difficult because getting people to idle in here is hard
2008-08-02T11:26:38  <Skizzerz> yes... perhaps if we had some incentive to do so
2008-08-02T11:26:43  <Prod> well, putting it at the top as an affiliate would be a bit more prominent than a link mixed in
2008-08-02T11:26:58  <Teddy> just make it say "porn"
2008-08-02T11:27:02  <Notmyhandle> AHAHA
2008-08-02T11:27:13  <Notmyhandle> Best idea I've ever heard.
2008-08-02T11:27:15  <Prod> yea, might work :D
2008-08-02T11:27:42  <Skizzerz> lol
2008-08-02T11:27:43  <Teddy> or hentai for you freaky people out there.
2008-08-02T11:27:54  <Prod> anywayz....
2008-08-02T11:27:54  <ness> You won't have much luck with getting people to idle via PJIRC due to the very transient nature of PJIRC
2008-08-02T11:27:58  <Prod> any other suggestions?
2008-08-02T11:28:23  <Notmyhandle> I think the problem is a lot of people don't interact with the site for very long.
2008-08-02T11:28:30  <Skizzerz> well, the PJIRC is only temporary until we can get something better up
2008-08-02T11:28:35  <Notmyhandle> I.e. they view their watch list or just edit what they are reading.
2008-08-02T11:28:46  <Teddy> i.e. people have lives.
2008-08-02T11:28:47  <ness> Skizzerz: What do you have in mind?
2008-08-02T11:29:05  <Skizzerz> perhaps some fork of mibbit that allows for more customizable options
2008-08-02T11:29:33  <ness> such as?
2008-08-02T11:29:58  <Skizzerz> the options? mainly the ability to put in a password to auto-identify to nickserv with
2008-08-02T11:30:01  <ness> Sorry, I haven't particularly followed the desired changes for IRC.
2008-08-02T11:30:04  *** Teddy is now known as Notmyname
2008-08-02T11:30:19  <ness> hehe.
2008-08-02T11:30:44  <ness> Wouldn't it just be better at that point to encourage people to download a real IRC client?
2008-08-02T11:30:47  <Skizzerz> at any rate, this will take quite a lot of work and pretty much a complete change in how the community looks at IRC
2008-08-02T11:30:57  <Notmyhandle> Ness: yeah probably.
2008-08-02T11:31:03  <Prod> it might be worthwhile to just merge the abxy/sw communities
2008-08-02T11:31:15  <Notmyhandle> I don't see how that's possible.
2008-08-02T11:31:19  <Notmyname> for irc? probably
2008-08-02T11:31:25  <Skizzerz> it's possible, it would just take a lot of work
2008-08-02T11:31:29  <Prod> well
2008-08-02T11:31:29  <Notmyhandle> You mean merge the user databases?
2008-08-02T11:31:37  <Skizzerz> no, that would be impossible
2008-08-02T11:31:38  <Prod> i mean just forget about the #strategywiki
2008-08-02T11:31:43  <Notmyhandle> o
2008-08-02T11:31:44  <Prod> and suggest people go to #abxy
2008-08-02T11:31:48  <Notmyhandle> Yeah that's a good idea
2008-08-02T11:31:59  <Notmyhandle> except for the whole...
2008-08-02T11:32:02  <Notmyhandle> chaos of abxy
2008-08-02T11:32:04  <Prod> :P
2008-08-02T11:32:15  <Prod> well, that's half the fun of irc
2008-08-02T11:32:18  <Notmyhandle> Ahahahaha
2008-08-02T11:32:20  <Prod> from there
2008-08-02T11:32:25  <Notmyname> and tuatara.
2008-08-02T11:32:31  <Prod> we can point them to #strategywiki if they need MW help
2008-08-02T11:32:32  <Notmyhandle> TUAT
2008-08-02T11:32:42  <ness> I like that idea, Prod.
2008-08-02T11:32:46  <Notmyhandle> so you want us to idle abxy more?
2008-08-02T11:32:57  <Notmyname> idle my little bitchez, idle!
2008-08-02T11:33:00  <Skizzerz> does seem like a good idea, would help get more people in the same place
2008-08-02T11:33:01  <Notmyhandle> actually that's the best idea because it will help abxy grow as well...
2008-08-02T11:33:07  <Prod> we'll have to convince #abxy to allow people to ask for MW help :P
2008-08-02T11:33:18  <Notmyhandle> Who runs SIP?
2008-08-02T11:33:22  <Prod> teddy
2008-08-02T11:33:22  <Skizzerz> Teddy does
2008-08-02T11:33:24  <Notmyhandle> o
2008-08-02T11:33:29  <ness> as in the phone protocol?
2008-08-02T11:33:29  <Notmyname> >___>
2008-08-02T11:33:39  <Prod> ShouldIPlay
2008-08-02T11:33:40  <Skizzerz> ness: as in shouldiplay.com :)
2008-08-02T11:33:46  <Notmyname> that's not my name. i swear.
2008-08-02T11:33:46  <ness> oh, lol :P
2008-08-02T11:34:21  <Prod> however, I think it should be "genericized" into a more general name
2008-08-02T11:34:23  <Prod> rather than abxy
2008-08-02T11:34:31  <Prod> have that channel redirect or something (if that's possible)
2008-08-02T11:34:34  <Notmyhandle> #abxy or abxy.com
2008-08-02T11:34:38  <Prod> #
2008-08-02T11:34:39  <Notmyhandle> o
2008-08-02T11:34:45  <ness> genericized sounds like circumcised
2008-08-02T11:34:49  <Prod> :P
2008-08-02T11:34:51  <Skizzerz> channel redirects are possible, just set a limit of 0 and an overflow channel :P
2008-08-02T11:34:54  <Notmyhandle> ahahaha...
2008-08-02T11:35:10  <Skizzerz> of course, there's the issue of channel access
2008-08-02T11:35:54  <Prod> what do you mean?
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2008-08-02T11:36:32  <Skizzerz> well, if we decide to use #abxy for everything, at first very few of the strategywiki staff would have access there.
2008-08-02T11:36:42  <Skizzerz> even afterwards, we'd have to decide how to share the access
2008-08-02T11:36:58  <Notmyname> I think we should have a series of redirect, at least 5, and have each channel be a single word which spells a secret message. If the user hasn't force quit their IRC client by this time, they definitely deserve to be in our lovely community.
2008-08-02T11:37:28  <Skizzerz> and... how exactly will that help?
2008-08-02T11:37:45  <Notmyname> STFU N00B
2008-08-02T11:37:58  * Notmyname is helpful. very helpful.
2008-08-02T11:38:05  <Skizzerz> moving right along...
2008-08-02T11:38:19  <Skizzerz> that issue can be sorted out quite easily if it comes to that
2008-08-02T11:38:34  <Notmyhandle> We COULD attempt a reward system
2008-08-02T11:38:40  <Notmyhandle> i.e. 100 edits = IRC access xD
2008-08-02T11:38:48  <Prod> i'll talk to ech about that also
2008-08-02T11:38:59  <Notmyname> 100 edits = 25 pixels of a pornographic picture revealed
2008-08-02T11:39:00  <Prod> Ok, so moving on
2008-08-02T11:39:07  <Notmyhandle> Teddy is the mastermind behind us
2008-08-02T11:39:08  <Prod> (Skizzerz): anything else?
2008-08-02T11:39:17  <Skizzerz> with IRC, not that I can think of at the moment
2008-08-02T11:39:18  <Notmyname> it would work. admit it.
2008-08-02T11:39:21  <Prod> ok
2008-08-02T11:39:36  <Prod> Next on the agenda is system portals
2008-08-02T11:39:45  <Notmyname> good idea
2008-08-02T11:39:56  <Notmyname> he said softly
2008-08-02T11:40:00  <Prod> unfortunately Garrett isn't around
2008-08-02T11:40:11  <Prod> so I think that's going to have to be left alone
2008-08-02T11:40:11  <Notmyhandle> Quick comment on Exteel - looks like there's about 48 images on the site.
2008-08-02T11:40:24  <Prod> (Notmyhandle): a bunch of the images got deleted
2008-08-02T11:40:31  <Prod> so there are image links but the images themselves are broken
2008-08-02T11:40:38  <Notmyhandle> o...
2008-08-02T11:40:39  <Prod> i'll be bringing over whatever's still left
2008-08-02T11:41:02  <Prod> portals will take a bit of work
2008-08-02T11:41:11  <Prod> and may benefit from some js
2008-08-02T11:41:17  <Prod> but we'll have to see about that next week
2008-08-02T11:41:27  <Notmyhandle> with the upgrade?
2008-08-02T11:41:59  <Prod> well, I'd like Garrett to discribe it a bit more
2008-08-02T11:41:59  <Notmyname> I think each system should get a lil button instead of a tiny square icon for the front page.
2008-08-02T11:42:24  <Notmyname> 3x4 grid
2008-08-02T11:42:42  <Prod> that would take up a lot of vertical space
2008-08-02T11:42:49  <Notmyhandle> just make it and show us
2008-08-02T11:42:54  <Prod> and those links already seem fairly well used
2008-08-02T11:42:59  <Notmyhandle> thats how we deal with brainstorming main page changes
2008-08-02T11:43:09  <Notmyname> ok
2008-08-02T11:43:36  <Prod> next on the list
2008-08-02T11:43:39  <Prod> Common talk pages
2008-08-02T11:43:45  <Prod> (Notmyhandle): I believe that was yours?
2008-08-02T11:43:52  <Notmyhandle> Uh
2008-08-02T11:44:01  <Notmyhandle> I don't think i started it
2008-08-02T11:44:10  <Notmyhandle> but yeah we were considering combining all talk pages for a game
2008-08-02T11:44:19  <Notmyhandle> so that every subpage's discussion link links to the same page
2008-08-02T11:44:39  <Notmyhandle> This was because some of us (at least me) felt that these subpage talk pages were isolated and ignored
2008-08-02T11:45:13  <Notmyhandle> The problem is implementation - it requires some sort of hack I believe, and then merging of all talk pages.
2008-08-02T11:45:32  <Notmyhandle> Is this a good idea?
2008-08-02T11:45:46  <Prod> I'm not too much of a fan of hacks
2008-08-02T11:45:52  <Prod> but if it was clean
2008-08-02T11:45:57  <Prod> I don't think it would be that helpful
2008-08-02T11:46:08  <Prod> it would help centralize discussions
2008-08-02T11:46:28  <Prod> but then discussions about a specific page may get lost
2008-08-02T11:46:41  <Prod> actually
2008-08-02T11:46:49  <Prod> lemme take that back
2008-08-02T11:47:05  <Prod> I think it would be good, but the hack wouldn't be worth it unless it can be pushed into an extension
2008-08-02T11:47:18  <Notmyhandle> Right.
2008-08-02T11:47:21  <Prod> and converting the old ones may cause some problems
2008-08-02T11:47:27  <Prod> since some of them hold histories
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2008-08-02T11:47:40  <Notmyhandle> Can someone link me the mediawiki bug/suggestion site?
2008-08-02T11:47:52  <Skizzerz> instead of merging them outright, why not just have an automatic message put on the top that links to the main talk page
2008-08-02T11:47:53  <Prod> bugzilla.mediawiki.org
2008-08-02T11:48:05  <Skizzerz> no
2008-08-02T11:48:11  <Skizzerz> it's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
2008-08-02T11:48:17  <Prod> er..
2008-08-02T11:48:18  <Prod> yea :P
2008-08-02T11:48:56  <Notmyhandle> Skizz's idea is good.
2008-08-02T11:49:09  <Notmyhandle> But how do we do it?
2008-08-02T11:49:11  <Skizzerz> anyway, regarding the automatic message, there is a hook that would allow that
2008-08-02T11:49:28  <Notmyhandle> Oh like the site-wide messages, but only if you go to a talk page?
2008-08-02T11:49:34  <Skizzerz> talk sub-page
2008-08-02T11:49:43  <Skizzerz> but yeah
2008-08-02T11:49:43  <Notmyhandle> Very neice
2008-08-02T11:49:44  <Prod> which hook?
2008-08-02T11:50:10  <Skizzerz> hold on
2008-08-02T11:50:37  <Prod> I guess we could make all talk subpages uneditable and have them only have text/images that say go to the main game page
2008-08-02T11:50:51  <Skizzerz> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/OutputPageBeforeHTML
2008-08-02T11:51:03  <Prod> that's a hardcore hook >_>
2008-08-02T11:51:14  <Skizzerz> yeah :P
2008-08-02T11:51:24  <Notmyhandle> it's cuz we're EXTREME
2008-08-02T11:51:34  <Prod> I think we might want to find one a bit further out of the core of it
2008-08-02T11:51:39  <Skizzerz> er wait, that's not the right one
2008-08-02T11:51:53  <Prod> perhaps one of those preload type fillers
2008-08-02T11:52:29  <Prod> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:1.2.32.4&action=edit&redlink=1
2008-08-02T11:52:35  <Prod> or maybe text like that
2008-08-02T11:52:49  <Notmyhandle> rawr i can't use bugzilla lol
2008-08-02T11:53:05  <Prod> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:1.2.32.4&redlink=1
2008-08-02T11:53:39  <Prod> we protect all talk subpages and have a template like that on all of them
2008-08-02T11:54:32  <Prod> ok, so is it agreed that we think they're a good idea?
2008-08-02T11:54:59  <Notmyhandle> doing what, protecting subpages/adding a template?
2008-08-02T11:55:05  <Notmyhandle> and then merging?
2008-08-02T11:55:09  <Prod> common talk pages in general
2008-08-02T11:55:19  <Prod> sounds like we'll still have to work on implementation
2008-08-02T11:55:39  <Notmyhandle> well once you do this sort of thing, there's no going back really
2008-08-02T11:55:47  <Notmyhandle> unsorting these mergers... oh god
2008-08-02T11:55:56  <Prod> i think it'd be fine
2008-08-02T11:56:29  <Notmyhandle> yeah i think its a good idea
2008-08-02T11:56:45  <Prod> ok, so we'll leave this back to the forums for implementation to get worked out
2008-08-02T11:56:50  <Skizzerz> sure
2008-08-02T11:57:20  <Prod> Next on the list is the "Update pending" templates
2008-08-02T11:57:24  <Prod> http://forums.abxy.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26458
2008-08-02T11:58:13  <Prod> currently the concensus seems to be:
2008-08-02T11:58:18  <Prod> Update pending template is good
2008-08-02T11:58:23  <Prod> Updated frequently is bad
2008-08-02T11:58:44  <Notmyhandle> It's basically the same thing
2008-08-02T11:58:47  <Skizzerz> not really
2008-08-02T11:59:12  <Notmyhandle> One refers to a set date, and one implies that the game is heavily supported (i.e. WoW).
2008-08-02T11:59:21  <Skizzerz> most people know if a game is updated frequently since they play it. However, they may or may not know exactly when the updates are taking place
2008-08-02T11:59:31  <Notmyhandle> Most games don't announce.
2008-08-02T11:59:53  <Notmyhandle> I think these sort of things would best go on a talk page.
2008-08-02T11:59:58  <Notmyhandle> And aren't template worthy
2008-08-02T12:00:13  <Prod> the update pending could be added when a game just got updated and peole haven't had a chance to update the changes to the guide
2008-08-02T12:00:33  <Notmyhandle> Well it wouldn't be pending then would it? XD
2008-08-02T12:00:37  <Prod> and I agree with what Skizzerz said about the updated frequently
2008-08-02T12:00:46  <Prod> updates to the guide would be pending :)
2008-08-02T12:01:09  <Notmyhandle> hmmm
2008-08-02T12:01:19  <Notmyhandle> i guess we can try i
2008-08-02T12:01:20  <Notmyhandle> it
2008-08-02T12:01:29  <Notmyhandle> im just afraid it will end up like WIP and be left there for months
2008-08-02T12:01:33  <Skizzerz> if it doesn't work out... well, that's what the delete tab is for :)
2008-08-02T12:01:34  <Prod> yea
2008-08-02T12:01:48  <Prod> we could put a timer on it like {{future}}
2008-08-02T12:01:55  <Notmyhandle> good idea
2008-08-02T12:02:02  <Notmyhandle> 1 month timer is good
2008-08-02T12:02:04  <Skizzerz> yeah
2008-08-02T12:02:10  <Prod> who wants to create it?
2008-08-02T12:02:17  <Skizzerz> I can create the timer :)
2008-08-02T12:02:29  <Notmyhandle> {{pendingupdate}}?
2008-08-02T12:02:35  <Notmyhandle> {{updatepending}}?
2008-08-02T12:02:38  <Prod> {{updating}}?
2008-08-02T12:02:38  <Skizzerz> the latter
2008-08-02T12:02:43  <Notmyhandle> {{pending}}?
2008-08-02T12:02:44  <Skizzerz> keep it simple
2008-08-02T12:02:49  <Notmyhandle> {{update}}?
2008-08-02T12:03:04  <Prod> {{wip}}? :P
2008-08-02T12:03:08  <Skizzerz> {{^_^}}
2008-08-02T12:03:15  <Notmyhandle> Possibly combine {{updatepending}} with {{future}}?
2008-08-02T12:03:33  <Prod> {{futureupdatepending}}?
2008-08-02T12:03:39  <Notmyhandle> Just {{future}} lol
2008-08-02T12:03:40  <Skizzerz> we could continue the discussion on the forums, since there are some interested parties that aren't at this meeting
2008-08-02T12:03:58  <Prod> ok
2008-08-02T12:04:19  <Skizzerz> {{ThisIsTheLongestTemplateNameOnTheEntiretyOfStrategyWikiAndItDoesntEvenServeAUsefulPurposeOtherThanTakingUpALotOfSpace}}
2008-08-02T12:04:31  <Prod> :D
2008-08-02T12:04:33  <Prod> So next up is the google guide search
2008-08-02T12:05:08  <Prod> You can find the code on my js page
2008-08-02T12:05:09  <Prod> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User:Prod/BlueCloud.js
2008-08-02T12:05:35  <Prod> If people like it, we can add it directly to the skin
2008-08-02T12:05:52  <Skizzerz> I have a few functions that help in adding items to tabs/toolbox/etc.
2008-08-02T12:06:12  <Prod> well, I was thinking we add it directly to the php
2008-08-02T12:06:20  <Prod> along with the "guide pages" link
2008-08-02T12:06:23  <Notmyhandle> prod: does it add a second "google" search or take over the current search?
2008-08-02T12:06:35  <Prod> it adds a "search this guide" button to the toolbox
2008-08-02T12:06:40  <Notmyhandle> ohhh
2008-08-02T12:06:47  <Notmyhandle> i thought u meant near the search box at the top
2008-08-02T12:06:51  <Notmyhandle> where people search...
2008-08-02T12:07:32  <Skizzerz> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User:Ryan_Schmidt/Scripts/library.js <- the addToolboxItem would make the addition of the node itself easier
2008-08-02T12:08:46  <Notmyhandle> Does this add the google search box or just a link to a separate page?
2008-08-02T12:08:54  <Skizzerz> a link to it, I think
2008-08-02T12:09:01  <Prod> link to a separate page
2008-08-02T12:09:08  <Prod> essentially a specialized link to google
2008-08-02T12:09:15  <Prod> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki_talk:Community_Portal/2007/July#Guide_search
2008-08-02T12:09:20  <Prod> that's the previous discussion about it
2008-08-02T12:11:07  <Prod> the issues with special characters and brackets isn't there
2008-08-02T12:11:11  <Prod> it seems to work for me
2008-08-02T12:11:49  <Notmyhandle> I think an addition to the toolbox wouldn't hurt anything.  Can we get additional ad-revenue from this?
2008-08-02T12:12:01  <Skizzerz> I'd rather have a PHP addition for this instead of a javascript "hack"
2008-08-02T12:12:02  <Prod> not too sure
2008-08-02T12:12:10  <Prod> (Skizzerz): agreed
2008-08-02T12:12:14  <Notmyhandle> less .js plz
2008-08-02T12:12:17  <Prod> if it's accepted it'll be a php addition
2008-08-02T12:12:26  <Prod> I'm going to reply to the thread in the forums
2008-08-02T12:12:38  <Prod> but you guys should try it out before we commit it
2008-08-02T12:13:07  <Skizzerz> it worked just fine when I tried it out a while ago
2008-08-02T12:13:42  <Prod> http://forums.abxy.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26436&p=413084#p413084
2008-08-02T12:13:47  <Prod> that's currently the only issue I know of
2008-08-02T12:14:17  <Notmyhandle> for google searching?
2008-08-02T12:14:21  <Skizzerz> ah
2008-08-02T12:14:22  <Prod> yes
2008-08-02T12:14:25  <Notmyhandle> yeah...
2008-08-02T12:14:28  <Notmyhandle> cept
2008-08-02T12:14:32  <Notmyhandle> you can do -ocarina or whatever
2008-08-02T12:14:35  <Notmyhandle> to limit it
2008-08-02T12:14:40  <Skizzerz> well, we COULD get Lucene search :P
2008-08-02T12:15:26  <Prod> java is a hog :P
2008-08-02T12:15:38  <Prod> the less java we have running the better for our servers
2008-08-02T12:15:41  <Notmyhandle> Javapig, javapig, does whatever a javapig does.
2008-08-02T12:16:09  <Notmyhandle> Can he swing from the web, no he can't cuz he's a pig.
2008-08-02T12:16:17  <Prod> the other option was a google custom search
2008-08-02T12:17:07  <Prod> So for now, please try out the js version
2008-08-02T12:17:19  <Prod> continue discussions in the forum
2008-08-02T12:17:28  <Notmyhandle> just copy the code to our bluecloude.js?
2008-08-02T12:17:31  <Prod> hopefully we can decide on wheter or not to use it by the next meeting
2008-08-02T12:17:31  <Notmyhandle> minus the e
2008-08-02T12:17:32  <Prod> yes
2008-08-02T12:17:41  <Skizzerz> yes, but the B and C need to be uppercase :)
2008-08-02T12:18:33  <Prod> any other issues about that?
2008-08-02T12:18:40  <Notmyhandle> nope
2008-08-02T12:18:41  <Skizzerz> the google search?
2008-08-02T12:18:45  <Prod> yes
2008-08-02T12:18:46  * Skizzerz doesn't have any
2008-08-02T12:18:47  <Prod> ok
2008-08-02T12:18:54  <Prod> so next up is the WatchSubpages extension
2008-08-02T12:18:59  <Prod> have you guys been using it?
2008-08-02T12:19:01  <Notmyhandle> yeah
2008-08-02T12:19:07  <Skizzerz> infrequently
2008-08-02T12:19:09  <Notmyhandle> its great
2008-08-02T12:19:20  <Prod> think it's ready to change to a "allow all logged in users"
2008-08-02T12:19:29  <Prod> currently it's sysops only
2008-08-02T12:19:33  <Skizzerz> I thought it already was for everyone
2008-08-02T12:19:44  <Notmyhandle> yeah i think some non-sysops were using it
2008-08-02T12:19:57  <Prod> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Special:Specialpages
2008-08-02T12:20:02  <Prod> it's in the restricted list
2008-08-02T12:20:16  <Skizzerz> yeah, all that means is that anons can't use it :)
2008-08-02T12:20:41  <Skizzerz> well, technically, it means that you need the 'watchsubpages' right to use it
2008-08-02T12:20:46  <Prod> lemme check the localsettings file
2008-08-02T12:21:07  <Prod> $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['watchsubpages'] = true;
2008-08-02T12:21:11  <Prod> don't see one for user
2008-08-02T12:21:17  <Prod> $wgGroupPermissions['*']['watchsubpages'] = false;
2008-08-02T12:21:28  <Prod> that's all I see
2008-08-02T12:21:44  <Skizzerz> you aren't testing to see whether or not they have the permission
2008-08-02T12:22:05  <Prod> don't remember what my regular user was named :P
2008-08-02T12:22:36  <Skizzerz> of course, I'm looking at the one in the svn, which is different from the one running on strategywiki
2008-08-02T12:22:47  <Prod> I recently updated it to that latest version
2008-08-02T12:22:51  <Prod> changes were minor
2008-08-02T12:23:06  <Skizzerz> hmm... ok
2008-08-02T12:23:07  <Prod> but this is controlled from the localsettings.php
2008-08-02T12:23:20  <Skizzerz> basically the right only currently controls if it appears in Special:Specialpages
2008-08-02T12:23:27  <Prod> unless I messed up the permissions :P
2008-08-02T12:23:37  <Skizzerz> if you want to prevent access to it, you still need to do a permissions check in the execute() function
2008-08-02T12:23:55  <Prod> hmmm
2008-08-02T12:24:01  <Prod> apparently everyone has access to it :P
2008-08-02T12:24:09  <Skizzerz> that's what I said :)
2008-08-02T12:24:19  <Skizzerz> I can fix that real quick, if you want
2008-08-02T12:24:21  <Prod> even anons
2008-08-02T12:24:55  <Prod> I'll look into it
2008-08-02T12:24:58  <Prod> gotta figure that out sometime :P
2008-08-02T12:25:16  <Prod> so, I guess i'm going to change it so that it shows up in the regular user's list
2008-08-02T12:25:58  <Prod> ok
2008-08-02T12:26:05  <Prod> and that brings us to the last thing for the day
2008-08-02T12:26:15  <Prod> update to 1.13
2008-08-02T12:26:30  <Prod> 1.13 final is coming out soon
2008-08-02T12:26:32  <Skizzerz> Prod: I can fix that bug in about 10 seconds if you want :)
2008-08-02T12:26:53  <Prod> (Skizzerz): fine :P
2008-08-02T12:27:06  <Notmyhandle> yay i love updates
2008-08-02T12:27:27  <Notmyhandle> is there anything to discuss regarding the update?
2008-08-02T12:27:32  <Prod> so Skizzerz, what kind of issues are we going to see?
2008-08-02T12:27:33  <Notmyhandle> is there a scheduled day for downtime?
2008-08-02T12:27:48  <Prod> hopefully monday if it comes out before then
2008-08-02T12:27:51  <Skizzerz> I don't know what kinds of issues we'll see
2008-08-02T12:27:54  <Skizzerz> hopefully none :)
2008-08-02T12:28:13  <Prod> aren't there some problems you brought up when 1.12 came up?
2008-08-02T12:28:36  <Prod> DPL or something?
2008-08-02T12:28:42  <Skizzerz> that's been fixed
2008-08-02T12:28:45  <Prod> ah
2008-08-02T12:28:46  <Prod> excellent
2008-08-02T12:29:00  <Notmyhandle> are we going to be able to use DPL?
2008-08-02T12:29:04  <Notmyhandle> moreso than before
2008-08-02T12:29:13  <Skizzerz> no, it's still a resource hog
2008-08-02T12:29:16  <Notmyhandle> kk
2008-08-02T12:29:17  <Skizzerz> probably even more than before
2008-08-02T12:29:23  <Prod> :P
2008-08-02T12:29:23  <Skizzerz> <CIA-55> skizzerz * r38447 /trunk/extensions/WatchSubpages/WatchSubpages_body.php: * bugfix, it did not test to see if the user had access to it, so unprivileged users could still use the page
2008-08-02T12:29:43  <Prod> awesome
2008-08-02T12:29:59  <Prod> would you like to update the sw local extension, or should I?
2008-08-02T12:30:00  <Skizzerz> I also moved the read only check to before anything got processed :)
2008-08-02T12:30:12  <Skizzerz> you can, I don't feel like opening putty atm
2008-08-02T12:30:16  <Prod> (y)
2008-08-02T12:30:17  <Prod> er
2008-08-02T12:30:19  <Prod> i mean sure
2008-08-02T12:30:54  <Prod> ok, I believe that's all we have for today
2008-08-02T12:30:59  <Skizzerz> one more thing
2008-08-02T12:31:00  <Prod> anything else people would like to bring up?
2008-08-02T12:31:03  <Skizzerz> (real quick)
2008-08-02T12:31:08  <Prod> go ahead Skizzerz
2008-08-02T12:31:15  <Skizzerz> is that we should install the Renameuser extension when we upgrade
2008-08-02T12:31:27  <Notmyhandle> just for you xD
2008-08-02T12:31:30  <Prod> well
2008-08-02T12:31:39  <Prod> we're also going to be doing some rearranging of usernames
2008-08-02T12:31:42  <Prod> so it'll definately be useful
2008-08-02T12:31:44  <Skizzerz> for if/when we decide to integrate accounts between strategywiki and abxy
2008-08-02T12:32:00  <Skizzerz> I'm not the only one with a name conflict ;)
2008-08-02T12:32:08  <Prod> yea
2008-08-02T12:32:16  <Prod> ok, it'll be done
2008-08-02T12:32:23  <Notmyhandle> Spotlight guides
2008-08-02T12:32:28  <Prod> yikes :P
2008-08-02T12:32:31  <Skizzerz> plus it gives bcrats something else to do :P
2008-08-02T12:32:39  <Prod> heh
2008-08-02T12:33:03  <Notmyhandle> I still think we should swap out some of our content month to month
2008-08-02T12:33:07  <Notmyhandle> on the main page
2008-08-02T12:33:12  <Notmyhandle> i.e. spotlight for featured
2008-08-02T12:33:22  <Skizzerz> Notmyhandle: that already randomly rotates
2008-08-02T12:33:31  <Notmyhandle> What, featured?
2008-08-02T12:33:33  <Skizzerz> yes
2008-08-02T12:33:34  <Prod> Noone even updates the COTM every month
2008-08-02T12:33:40  <Notmyhandle> Right
2008-08-02T12:33:43  <Notmyhandle> sorry prod ]
2008-08-02T12:33:44  <Prod> I think it'd be too much work for too little benefit
2008-08-02T12:33:56  <Notmyhandle> I think we should just update when we see fit
2008-08-02T12:34:04  <Prod> as it is now :P
2008-08-02T12:34:25  <Skizzerz> "Collaboration of the Millenia"
2008-08-02T12:34:29  <Notmyhandle> Well I was thinking of "spotlighting" either Dead Rising of Dog's Life
2008-08-02T12:34:29  <Prod> lol yea
2008-08-02T12:34:52  <Notmyhandle> Travb has been pumping that guide, and Melon247 has a good start on her work.
2008-08-02T12:34:56  <Prod> yea
2008-08-02T12:35:00  <Prod> they're both quite well done
2008-08-02T12:35:18  <Prod> would you like to set up the new StrategyWiki:Spotlight page?
2008-08-02T12:35:42  <Notmyhandle> sure
2008-08-02T12:35:56  <Prod> For the moment
2008-08-02T12:36:02  <Prod> that'll only go on the Community Portal
2008-08-02T12:36:25  <Prod> but it should follow the same format as the CotM
2008-08-02T12:36:28  <Prod> monthly changes
2008-08-02T12:36:44  <Notmyhandle> we're not going to have an associated request page tho
2008-08-02T12:37:02  <Prod> I think it'll be more of a "here are some good ones, let the sysop pick"
2008-08-02T12:37:30  <Prod> which is essentially the way CotM is working right now :P
2008-08-02T12:38:03  <Notmyhandle> aye
2008-08-02T12:38:11  <Notmyhandle> SW is giving me trouble atm
2008-08-02T12:38:14  <Prod> yea
2008-08-02T12:38:20  <Prod> probably cause I changed something :P
2008-08-02T12:38:23  <Prod> give it a little while
2008-08-02T12:38:24  <Skizzerz> it's re-caching
2008-08-02T12:39:11  <Notmyhandle> YOU KILLED IT
2008-08-02T12:39:18  <Prod> :)
2008-08-02T12:39:50  <Skizzerz> we probably should schedule a day of downtime sometime just to give people advanced warning of upgrades
2008-08-02T12:40:38  <Notmyhandle> do it at like monday at midnight
2008-08-02T12:41:05  <Prod> the time when noone is online is mornings around 8 am
2008-08-02T12:41:12  <Skizzerz> because if you want me to do anything, I'll have to be awake :P
2008-08-02T12:41:21  <Prod> heh
2008-08-02T12:41:22  <Prod> true
2008-08-02T12:41:32  <Prod> well, we're going to try and do the 1.13 monday morning
2008-08-02T12:41:38  <Prod> around 12
2008-08-02T12:41:41  <Prod> (noon)
2008-08-02T12:41:42  <Skizzerz> EST?
2008-08-02T12:41:43  <Prod> yea
2008-08-02T12:41:48  <Skizzerz> k, I could do that
2008-08-02T12:41:59  <Prod> I won't be awake before that :P
2008-08-02T12:42:10  <Prod> ok
2008-08-02T12:42:15  <Prod> anything else?
2008-08-02T12:42:36  <Notmyhandle> patrol edits!
2008-08-02T12:42:38  <Notmyhandle> gogogogo
2008-08-02T12:43:05  <Notmyhandle> <!--End-->
2008-08-02T12:43:51  <Skizzerz> more active sysops that know HOW to patrol edits? :P
2008-08-02T12:44:04  <Prod> :P
2008-08-02T12:44:29  <Notmyhandle> Yeah I'm learning xD
2008-08-02T12:44:36  <Notmyhandle> peace
2008-08-02T12:44:53  <Prod> cya
2008-08-02T12:44:54  <Notmyhandle> since SW is farting, I'll take my leave
2008-08-02T12:44:56  <Prod> thanks for attending